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Title: The Sorrow v/s Kasigi Omi: completed
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on May 30, 2011, 10:39:01 am
Here The Sorrow and Kasigi Omi will begin their round one battle in the bijuu contest for the Shukaku no Ichibi. Each contestant gets 10 posts to show their stuff, so come out strong and mae it count.

Note: Undisclosed, at this time, judges will determine who the winner is. This will be based upon more than who can thump on who. In 10 round the battle will not be at a defeat state anyway...well most will not. Good luck!

Whoever makes the first post goes first and game play will commence from there. Digressing into OCC bickering will be highly frowned upon and count against you as this is not the image Suna wishes to put forth. Discuss things in pms someplace or ask for a ruling here by requesting a stop of the match to resolve an issue.


Title: Re: The Sorrow v/s Kasigi Omi Round 1: Bijuu Contest
Post by: The Sorrow on May 30, 2011, 12:15:41 pm
The Sorrow silently crept through the ruins of the abandoned building that stood on the outskirts of Suna. His target was nearby, and he was glad that he had managed to lure him to the building. Shinjiro disliked open combat, his abilities were more suited for the Blac Ops after all. Shinjiro stealthily made his way through the shadows, making sure to be unseen. The glow of his eyes was dulled by his glasses but he could still see the spirits of the dead linger at this place, all of them brave shinobi that had died trying to defend or conquer this place.

Then he saw him, his target. He had to use make sure that he could get in a good attack before he noticed him. Shinjiro wasn't so arrogant to believe that he could take down an opponent of this caliber with one attack, especially a purely physical one. So he kept hiding in the shadows, his steps not making a single sound. He was already close to his opponent, so close that he could hear him breathing.

Shinjiro had to act quick now. Still concealed by the shadows Shinjiro attacked his opponent's blind spot, his quarterstaff aimed at the base of Kasigi's neck.


Title: Re: The Sorrow v/s Kasigi Omi Round 1: Bijuu Contest
Post by: KasigiOmi on May 30, 2011, 06:54:08 pm
Would simply stand in wait for his enemy. Within moments Kasigiomi would notice his foe enter the magnetic field surrounding his body; he'd smile, awaiting what was an apparent assault. Though visible to his own eyes, the ninja had to have been unknowing of his unique kekkei; upon the strike with this quarterstaff, a resounding metal-tone could be heard. Upon this collision with his cutaneous armor of steel, Kasigiomi would turn, glaring at this foe.
"How... dare you?" Would be said by him with a resounding voice. He'd quickly rear back his enlarged fist aiming to strike at his nearby foe. Meanwhile, in accordance with his own motions, he'd manipulate the weak magnetic field surrounding him. This manipulation would cause a dozen kunai to levitate, being removed from their holster. They would be aimed, pointing their sharp tips at the stealthy foe. Upon throwing his fist forward into a punch, these kunai would also bullet forward, aiming to pierce the same target.


Title: Re: The Sorrow v/s Kasigi Omi Round 1: Bijuu Contest
Post by: The Sorrow on May 31, 2011, 08:03:13 am
The Sorrow saw the incoming attack ans swiftly jumped on the enlarged fist, running on the arm towards his foe. As the kunai manipulated by the magnetic field surged forward, The Sorrow blocked them with a quick spin of his quarterstaff, sending them flying to the ground. While running towards Kasigi, Shinjiro discreetly forms a single handed hand sign before he reaches his opponent, swinging his quarterstaff directly at his opponent's face.


Title: Re: The Sorrow v/s Kasigi Omi Round 1: Bijuu Contest
Post by: KasigiOmi on May 31, 2011, 11:08:32 pm
Would only smile. The kunai hit by this staff would simply levitate once more, as if controlled by a field around his body. It was at this point in time that with his spare hand, a single kata of his own would be formed. Upon its completion, sparks of electricity would course through his steely skin. The contact of the foe's skin with this metal, and even more so the metal armor of the foe coming in contact, would cause severe wounds to the enemy. If these wounds would not halt the enemy from their technique, then the enemy had to have been superhuman. Following this, a small mumble could be heard; this mumble, similar to his words before, reverberated into a metal sounding echo. "Raiton; Denseno Roshutsu no Jutsu."
The quarterstaff to his face would result in a similar bell tone from the first strike, rebounding off of his steel plate. He'd react to this impact in a similar way as before, using his spare hand to direct the reforming kunai back at the enemy, even though the enemy stood upon his arm.


Title: Re: The Sorrow v/s Kasigi Omi Round 1: Bijuu Contest
Post by: The Sorrow on June 01, 2011, 09:41:56 am
Since the Kunai had been sent flying with enough force to bury themselves into the earth, it took them a while to take flight again. However, the expected strike to the face never came. The handseal Shinjiro had formed had been used to create a Genjutsu, "Kokoni Arazu no Jutsu", the False Surroundings Technique. Since The Sorrow had only slightly shifted his position to conceal that he was by now running on the ground instead of the arm, it had served his purpose.
Now close to his opponent, Shinjiro swung his staff in combination with a Wind-Style Ninjutsu to overcome the protection the armor offered.

"Fūton: Kazekiri." (Wind Release: Wind Cutter)

A blade of wind errupted from the swing of his staff at close proximity to Kasigi. However, since Wind wasn't Shinjiro's natural element the strike wouldn't achieve the full strength it could reach. The Sorrow never waited to see the results of his attacks, immediately creating distance between his opponent and himself to hide in the shadows. Unbeknownst to Kasigi, Shinjiro bit his thumb during his evasion and quickly summoned a small owl that he sent away.


Title: Re: The Sorrow v/s Kasigi Omi Round 1: Bijuu Contest
Post by: KasigiOmi on June 02, 2011, 08:38:23 pm
This wind-powered strike would also have little effect; it would knock him back a step, but he maintained a smile. He rotated his bones, a grinding steel sound erupting due to these rotations. He'd take a step forward, his eyes focused on the ninja now. The small sparks of electricity could still be seen surging throughout the metal coat, and the kunai had just reformed around his person in an arc. During this time, he would reach into the pack on his hip, pulling a small metal ball that was attached to a chain out of it. He'd grin, releasing the metal ball, allowing it to levitate with the rest of the kunai. The chain would remain in his right hand.

During his motions with his right hand, his left would be furiously forming kata. His eyes remained focused on the enemy, his left hand coming to a still as the metal ball began to levitate. Kasigiomi would then speak, almost glaring at the foe now,"Jiryoku!" His words would almost force a smile to his staunch face. Upon doing so, the enemy would be able to feel his metal armor and headband pulling towards the kunai and the metal ball of Kasigiomi as if they were attracted to them. And in fact, they were. At that moment, Kasigiomi would swing his right hand forward; this motion would send the metal ball and each of the kunai forward. The metal ball would rotate around the axis of its chain, spinning as if it were a rotary saw; the kunai would travel parabolically, hitting their target and coming back. All of these objects drawn to the body of the enemy due to their metallic armor.


Title: Re: The Sorrow v/s Kasigi Omi Round 1: Bijuu Contest
Post by: The Sorrow on June 03, 2011, 04:32:09 am
Shinjiro scowled a little at his opponent's apparently indestructible defense. The Sorrow then noticed his opponent's attack coming towards him, but due to the fact that Shinjiro's body armour was not made of metal but sturdy leather, the desired effect fell short as the only metal on him where his headband and his stash of throwing weapons.

It was time to go on the offensive.

With speed gained through practice Shinjiro tied a kunai at each end of his quarterstaff with some wire, making sure that it was tied in a way that would prevent his opponent from simply removing them with magnetism. The Sorrow sprang from his hiding spot to a heightened area and threw his staff down while shouting "Kage Bo no Jutsu!"
The staff multiplied and rained down on Kasigi, however, they were actually more aimed at his projectile weapons, especially on the chain. The wooden weapons knocked down the kunai and stuck to the ground afterwards. The metal ball remained unharmed from his course, but two staffs had managed to pierce the chain links and act as anchors. While they were in no way burried into the earth strongly enough, the metal ball soon regained it's sped, but not before The Sorrow had swooped down and picked up the original staff.
Feeling the metal ball fly closer to him, Shinjiro formed handsigns and released "Suiton: Kokuu no Jutsu", the Black Rain technique on Kasigi before dodging the strike of his opponent's weapon by retreating into the shadows.


Title: Re: The Sorrow v/s Kasigi Omi Round 1: Bijuu Contest
Post by: KasigiOmi on June 03, 2011, 02:18:30 pm
Would simply shake his head. Though his armor may have been more organic than Kasigiomi had thought, the metal weapons would still be drawn to whatever else was metal on the body of the foe. They would not simply halt uselessly; physics denied them that fault. Furthermore, this ornate technique of several kunai attached to wooden bo, upon entering the magnetic field, would be rendered useless; upon being thrown, no matter how hard, they would simply come to a quick halt, and levitate freely in air. This was a demonstration of polarity that the opposite ninja probably didn't fathom. The wood would anchor each weapon somewhat, but the magnetic hold on the kunai was powerful. It seemed the electricity coursing through his body had made Kasigiomi almost electromagnetic in his manipulation. It should have been made apparent to the opposite ninja; Kasigiomi was invulnerable to metal weaponry, and his skin itself was able to withstand even the most powerful of blows.

Kasigiomi would look up at this almost tar-like rain; a lubricant on a metal. "Well... that prevents my Sanka... though, lubricants are good for metal." Kasigiomi would grip from the air one of his floating kunai, bringing it into his hand quickly. He would clutch it tightly; within moments, a metallic grinding sound could be heard. Upon opening his hand, hundreds of tiny fragments of this kunai lay in his hand, just smaller than pea stone. Kasigiomi would throw this debris into the air with the rest of his kunai. He'd then look at the wall, a small thought coming to his face. "The nails that hold this building up..." Kasigiomi would look around some more, the black rain still raining down. "Due to this building's age, they are probably made of iron. Lovely."

Kasigiomi would end his thinking, for now. Instead of acting on his thought, he would manipulate the pea-sized fragments of metal into a large circle around his body, each about an inch apart, covering 360 degrees. He'd clench his fists as he did this; seconds later, he'd reopen his fists, firing each of these fragments at the walls of the building, the windows that still stood, and anything else within its room. As if they were bullets, they would tear through anything they hit. He hoped to hit the foe; though, by hitting the walls, he knew he jeopardized the structure's stability. If it fell, it fell on both of them; difference was, Kasigiomi's cutaneous armor would protect him from the collapse.


Title: Re: The Sorrow v/s Kasigi Omi Round 1: Bijuu Contest
Post by: The Sorrow on June 03, 2011, 04:32:46 pm
Due to the fact that the wooden staves had been aimed at the kunai only flying at Shinjiro due to targeting his own metallic weaponry and the fact that his opponent's weapons had retained the energy used to make them fly, the targets were outside of Kasigiomi's magnetic field and thus not just floating through the air but instead firmly rooted to the ground. He was also surprised by the fact that the metal ball that had been aimed at his head had apparently disappeared into thin air.

Hiding in the shadows, Shinjiro was not sure how the grinding of the kunai had not ignited the oil already, though it didn't matter. The moment Kasigiomi started his plan of tearing down the building, The Sorrow gave a sharp whistle. The sound was aimed at the small owl he had summoned earlier and signaled it to use its only really offensive skill. The small owl that had been hiding in under the rooftop till now flapped its wings with all its strength and shot numerous feathers at Kasigiomi. Some of them collided with the "pebbles" and were destroyed, hwoever, a few made it through to Kasigi and hit his armour before the owl was hit and disappeared.
While normal feathers wouldn't have had any effect, the feathers of the owl summons were different. They were as sharp as kunai and had the strength of sharpened steel. While this was still not enough to put a dent into Kasigiomi's armour, they were enough to create a spark that ignited the black oil that still clung to the armoured shinobi, dousing him into searing hot flames.

However, the damage to the building was done and large chunks of it came falling down. Mentally thanking the Third Hokage for inspiring him Shinjiro sprinted to his multiplied staves. They were by no means the legendary Adamantine Staff, but they would do. With a quick handsign his staff bunshin reassembled and formed a cage around him. While they would definitely break by protecting him but that was fine.
He pitied his opponent who had failed to consider that while his armor might be nigh indestructible, he was far from inmovable. His joints would be unable to support the weight of his armour and the stones and thus the stones would press him into the ground and render him unable to move.


Title: Re: The Sorrow v/s Kasigi Omi Round 1: Bijuu Contest
Post by: KasigiOmi on June 03, 2011, 10:47:55 pm
Kasigiomi would stop moving to look at the fire; he seemed almost upset by it. Though the steel heated, it was not enough. An oil fire, though hot, is not hot enough to melt him. The temperature of most oil fires was around 1500 degrees fahrenheit, while the melting point of his armor was nearer to 3000 degrees fahrenheit. It would however weaken the magnetic field, but only somewhat.

Quickly he'd look at this fortification around the foe. He'd walk up to it; he worried not about the falling degree. With his hand he was able to break down steel; this building's collapse wouldn't be an issue. He would look at his hands, still flaming. He'd almost grin, quickly gripping two of the wooden staves surrounding his foe. By now, with the enemy's own technique, they should also be doused in the tar; even if they weren't, due to being wooden, they'd quickly ignite. He would release his grip on them, drag his hands across some of the others in order to weaken its stability. He would then walk in the other direction, using both of his flaming hands to form kata. After taking a dozen steps away, among what was now a crumbling building, he would turn. His chest puffed up, he would quickly exhale. From his maw a large scythe of wind would bellow forward, aimed at amplifying the fire that lit the staves. Following this burst would follow words before Kasigiomi would place his arms over his head, the building on its last leg; "Fuuton: Kakkiteki-Ji."


Title: Re: The Sorrow v/s Kasigi Omi Round 1: Bijuu Contest
Post by: The Sorrow on June 04, 2011, 04:04:46 am
Shinjiro could only laugh at his opponent's ignorance. Unless his armour had no opening, which meant he wouldn't even be able to breath, the fire would easily seep inside the armour. And the fact that he attempted to use a wind Jutsu proved that there was an opening. Furthermore an armour didn't simply nullify kinetic energy that was transmitted from stones crushing into him. Ignoring it for now he turned his attention to the flames that were licking at his staves.
Since they were in the desert he had a hard time pulling his favourite elemental Ninjutsu off, but due to long practive and Nature Transformation he was stil able to produce water in the desert.

"Suiton: Haran Bansho." (Water Style: Stormy Blockade)

Water started to pour down from the sky, dousing the flames and drenching Shinjiro as well. But that was a small price to pay. The Sorrow's attention snapped back to his opponent when he felt his gathering chakra. Only a moment later a large scythe of wind flew at him at high speeds. Cancelling his water technique The Sorrow immediately started to use the next technique, hoping that his reserves wouldn't run dry at this rate. While Shinjiro couldn't use his weapon right now to enhance the effect, he could still use the Jutsu he had used earlier to soften the blow of the incoming attack.

"Fūton: Kazekiri."

With a swing of his hand a blade of wind burst from the spaces between the staves, meeting the wind scythe head on and cancelling out around 60% of its attack strength. The remaining scythe impacted against the wooden cage and shook it, wounding Shinjiro a little just before the building finally collapsed completely.
After a minute or two of silence the dust settled. Shinjiro's staff cage had held firm, but it was gone now. The Sorrow stood amongst the remains of the destroyed building, looking a little dirty from the dust and a little ruffled from the wind sycthe but besides that still in good shape.


Title: Re: The Sorrow v/s Kasigi Omi Round 1: Bijuu Contest
Post by: KasigiOmi on June 05, 2011, 06:37:50 am
Would listen to the laughs of his foe, concerned by them. Was the enemy so ignorant that he was unable to see that his steely armor was not in fact a plate, but actually his skin? He fretted not. Upon the collapse of the building, the cutaneous steel would hold firm; his body would be pressed downward, but his body would remain uncrushed. He'd use his large paws to remove this rubble from above him, quickly standing up. Though an oil fire upon his body, the rain produced by the foe would aid due to its dispersion.

Kasigiomi would slowly lift his left hand into the air; as he did, electrical sparks would begin to flow from his body. These sparks would only be enhanced by the water technique. He now looked at the rubble; in several of the pieces their old iron nails could still be seen. Though some were rusted, others corroded, even more so those in good shape, all would be yanked from their holds as he rose his hand. Those that were too tightly embedded would simply lift the material they were lodged in, anchored by this material. Kasigiomi then looked at the foe; "Here is a science lesson you will not soon forget.." Kasigiomi would thrust his risen hand forward; as he initiated this motion, each of the now controlled projectiles would move forward at varying speeds depending on weight, all aimed at the forehead protector of the foe. Even if he were to move, or even to knock them away, they would continue to advance parabolically. Kasigiomi then softly said his technique once more; "Jiryoku."


Title: Re: The Sorrow v/s Kasigi Omi Round 1: Bijuu Contest
Post by: The Sorrow on June 05, 2011, 08:30:53 am
A little amazed about his opponent's lack of scientific knowledge concerning the laws of kinetic energy transfer and the fact that a steel skin didn't cover either eyes nor other body openings, Shinjiro also wondered how the water of a cancelled technique only aimed at the immediate area around Shinjiro himself could douse the opponent's flames.

As The Sorrow saw the incoming projectiles, he decided the best course of action was to simply stop them in their tracks. The water he had used earlier was still there, by now flowing through the ground beneath him. Just the way he needed it. Forming the necessary handseals, Shinjiro called out the name of a technique similar to the skill the host of the Ichibi could use.

"Suiton: Suitenhōfutsu."

Water started to raise from the ground and formed medium sized bubbles that lazily drifted around Shinjiro. With a flick of his hand the bubbles shot forward and trapped the projectiles, the pressure and chakra flowing through them effectively halting their journey as the water lessened the control Kasigiomi had over the metal to a certain degree as well. Shinjiro wasn't finished though. His hands flashed into the Tiger sign and were about to release a technique of Shinjiro's true speciality.

"Kokuangyo no Jutsu."

The Bringer of Darkness technique wrapped Kasigiomi's entire vision in black, rendering his sense of sight useless. While his other senses were still functioning, there was one thing he couldn't have been prepared for: that he could still see something. And it wasn't something you wanted to see if you had a frail psyche. Due to Shinjiro's mutated Sharingan he could see the spirits of the dead. And if he used it in combination with a sense manipulating Jutsu, he could call those spirits to target his opponent. Kasigiomi was now surrounded by countless spirits of fallen shinbobi, all of them moaning in pain and despair. There mere presence would be enough to deeply unsettle most men, but the true terror awaited those who dared to touch the spirits. For every direct touch would resort in a little of his life essence being drained. While the amount of energy drained per touch was actually quite low, the mere number of spirits made this technique indeed fearsome.


Title: Re: The Sorrow v/s Kasigi Omi Round 1: Bijuu Contest
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on June 11, 2011, 08:12:06 pm
Sighs...  :-X

I know neither one of you will be the least bit thrilled at what I am about to post. I apologize to begin with as I know my words will sound quite a bit harsher than I intend them to be. Let me say up front, despite the numerous defects I have listed in each of your posts, you are both quite skilled in what you are doing.

Please take my comments as constructive criticism and use them to clean up your jutsu and description. Many of my objections could have been avoided had the verbage you employed created the clarity I am looking for in a bijuu host.

However, I am totally against anyone assuming they are invulnerable to each and everything that is thrown at them. I sensed quite a bit of tension going on between you as evidenced in the internal monologue of each of your successive posts. Do remember that the idea behind RP is to have fun.

So...don't make me have to hide after you read this.   :-\



The Sorrow V/s Kasigi Omi

I'm not even gonna touch the one handed kata issue because the school of thought is divided. Some say it is tied to Haku's KG which neither one of you possess, others say it is just a matter of training and anyone can develope this and since Haku was a genius he readily developed it.

Sorrow: reply 1:
~Quarterstaff to base of Omi's neck
I feel that placing yourself so close to your opponet that you can hear him breathing denies him the ability to detect you and move away. And in an opening post you have virtually character controlled his placement in the field of battle, frozen his movemnts, and come in for the strike.

Omi: reply 2:
~Steel Skin Armor protects against quarterstaff strike.
~Enlarged first strike toward Sorrow.
~Magnetic field hurls 12 kunai at Sorrow.
I feel a weak magnetic field would not be able to lift one let alone 12 kunai and bullet them anywhere. Its just a wording issue, I am sure the KG is able to do this.

Sorrow: reply 3:
~Jumps on Omi's arm [auto-hit] and runs up it to evade fist strike.[how long do you think this arm is?]
~blocks 12 kunai with spin of quarterstaff
~forms one handed kata
~swings quarterstaff at Omi's face
You are doing too many actions. How long is a quarterstaff? It's as tall as a person, correct? You can't spin it with one hand cause you would hit Omi's arm...that you are standing on...and perhaps his head as surely an enlarged fist does not mean his arm is now suddenly longer[he never posted an increase in arm length]...SO you would have to use both hands to work the staff while on Omi's arm to deflect the kunai that have risen to make the attack...AND with incredible speed for the distance from his waist to his arm is short. And they were already shooting toward you when he threw the punch.

next...you say before you reach your opponent [you are already standing on his arm...I assume you mean reach his face?]...you do a one handed kata and swing the quarterstaff for his head. You have yourself way too close in side the range of a quarterstaff for the movements you are attempting. Should these event occur, I feel they would have taken longer than just one smooth move...perhaps two posts?

Omi: reply 4:
~magnetic field levitates Kunai for another wave of assualts upon Sorrow.
~metal armor protects face from damage of quarterstaff strike.
~single handed kata raiton course through armor. Raiton: Denseno Roshutsu no Jutsu.

Sorrow: reply 5:
~one handed kata was the genjutsu Kokoni Arazu no Jutsu: false surroundings technique
I'm sorry. this just seems like the magic bunshin move to me. If you are casting a genjutsu you need to call that ahead of time. It is then your opponent's duty not to metagame. And here we have a retropost situation. Omi already took the hit to the head. Now you say it never comes.
~Fuuton: Kazekiri: Wind Cutter...
I am uncertain after you mention the genjutsu what is a discernable action of Sorrow and what is part of the illusion that you are projecting for Omi to see.
~Retreats to hide
~Summons an owl and sends it away
Ok. You did not post that you sent the kunai flying into the ground with any force, this is retroposting adding detail to a prior action. So the kunai should have no delay in rising. That might occur for another reason, but you have no right to dictate how long it would take Omi's magnetic field to accomplish the manipulation of his weapons.

Again, let me reiterate. Once you mention the genjutsu I do not know what is illusion or real motion. Did you really send a wind cutter at him? Did you really then retreat? Some indication of 'seeming to strike or seeming to attack or move' needs to be in place so the reader can tell what is the illusion and what the real Sorrow is performing at this time.

So...were you really able to genjutsu off the armor before the raiton could power up at hit you? How fast does it take electricity to travel through metal?

Again, too many actions in one post.


Omi: reply 6:
~small push back from Wind Cutter
I think even a lessened version of wind cutter, as Sorrow posted, should have had a little more effect upon at least your physical position...more than being pushed back a step...uhm? Are you saying because Omi is metal now he is so heavy that you can afix your position in gale force winds? Then you should post it that way. Also it's a wind cutting technique. Where are the slashes all over you? Additionally, isn't raiton weak against fuuton? Uhm...so your raiton filled armor should be significantly lessened if not extinguished. I cannot tell if this has occured.
~your eyes remain focused on the enemy.
Do you have a doujtus? Sorrow is a black Ops Stealth Ninja. Surely he can hide in shadows undetected while fleaing your location during a genjutsu?
~Jiryoku makes Sorrow's armor and headband magnetic to send Omi's kunai and metal chain/ball toward him.
Ok...I know it should work automatically cause he has been in your magnetic field for a while now, but he did retreat and I am calling this an autohit due to the reasoning that you have placed a limitation upon his ability to move outside of your 'indeterminate' magnetic field. You never said how large an area it covered. He never said how far away he moved.

Sorrow: reply 7
~leather armor[good, but was this spur of the moment or stated to begin with as part of your standard gear? Maybe on your bio?]
~Builds a weapon by tying kunai with wire to your staff ends.
I am stunned why you would waste time with projectiles flying toward you to craft a weapon during battle. The kunai are projectiles...just throw them away! And then after ridding yourself of metal, you go and pick it all up again on the original staff...and evade the metal ball which is tracking that metal and retreat in to the shadow.
~Kage bo no jutsu...
Is this like Kage Shuriken no Jutsu - Shadow Shuriken Technique? This does not create duplicates of the Shuriken but allows one to hide in the shadow of another. At any rate, you have a jutsu that allows you to mulitply your bo into numerous staffs. You might want to call it something else; also it kind of borders on mokuton KG as well. I like the idea of this jutsu but I think it needs to be defined in a different way.
~Suiton: Kokuu no Jutsu", the Black Rain technique.
Should take longer to exectute. It has to rise from your body, accumulate a cloud and then rain down.

Again, too many offensive actions in one post.


Omi: reply 8:
~grinds Kunai, makes metal shard field, shoots this out in 360 degrees to riddle the building and everything in it with metal shards.
So why did you not catch on fire and explode? Uhm, I am pretty sure that metal being ground together will produce a spark, especially in the hand on the body of armor that is already charged with raiton. So...why did not you catch on fire due to the electricity running thourgh the armor the moment the oil fell upon you, even discounting the probable spark production of the grinding of the kunai?

Where did you metal ball and chain go?

Sorrow: reply 9:
~rationale about the magnetic field.
Omi never said how large it was in the initial post. He did say the weaponry was within the field on his second post. Then you delcare here that it is not.
~owl feathers hit Omi and ignite the oil
Auto hit. The presence of the owl in the building disturbs me, you only posted that you had sent it away not that it flew up into the rafters to wait. I imagined it had left the building.

Oh so now you call the Kage bo no jutsu staves...bunshin. Let me ask you this. Omi's kunai were sailing toward the bunshin staves because of the kunai on each end...metal being drawn to metal...why didn't your bunshins go poof when they struck Omi's kunai?
~reassembling bunshin staves to form cage....
Typically when bunshin are struck they go poof. How is that going to protect you from a collapsing building?

Omi: reply 10:
~melting point of armor  
This is moot. You are effectively roasting to death in your metal armor like a turkey in an oven. Is your whole body a metallic being? Are you not like any other warrior who is clad in a shell? Doton armor...if pierced the warrior bleeds.
~lights wooden staves on fire
~walks around in crumbling building
~Fuuton: Kakkiteki-Ji

Sorrow: reply 11:
~Suiton: Haran Bansho: Stormy Blockage
Here you create water in the desert to rain down from the sky with what? Practice and Nature Transformation? What is that, Sage Mode? Hrm...and its inside the crumbling builing...and you retropost it to occur before Omi's Wind jutsu.
~Fuuton: Kazekiri:
Your weak element has allowed you to fire it between the staves...so where are the pieces of ceiling hiting your between the stave slots? And it defeats 60% of Omi's wind, your bunshin staves are on fire...and struck by wind...doused by water...and withstand the collapse of the building to leave you unharmed save for some of Omi's wind that got through to slice you up some. You say the cage survived the collapse but yet it is not present when we finally see you have survived....it either collpsed or is still there. Most likely the staves are destroyed way back when Omi's kunai connected with them before the cage was formed because you call them bunshin.

Omi: reply 12:
~armor skin protects you from the collapse.
I agree that the force of the collpse would translate force through your armor to deal damamge to your body. The 'skin' may be intact but you should have some internal bleeding due to blunt force trauma. Think shaken baby syndrome...no marks on the baby but they are now brain damaged.
~shoots nails from rubble at Sorrow.

Sorrow: reply 13:
~wondering about the rain.
You never posted that the effect was upon only yourself. You just stated it "...pour down from the sky, dousing the flames and drenching Shinjiro as well." And you are in a building of finite space.
~Suiton: Suitnenhofutsu: water orb prisons?
So now you have managed to catch each and every nail that this building contined, plus whatever they were attatched to, accurately despite their various speeds and sizes, in water prisons. And why didn't you take your forehead protector off several posts ago as soon as metal became an issue?
~Kokuangyo no Jutsu:
Pretty cool stuff. However...

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Bringer-of-Darkness_Technique (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Bringer-of-Darkness_Technique)

Doesn't say a thing about the 'ghosts' being able to steal life force and have an actual physical consequence to the taget. Certainly torturous, this genjutsu...

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"This technique exerts an hallucinatory effect upon the eyesight, effectively blinding the opponent. No matter how skilled an opponent may be, they are forced to wait helpless in this world of darkness, as this technique allows the user to attack unseen. Although it negates sight, it does not stop the other senses. In essence, the opponent can hear, feel, and smell out the user of the technique and break its effects by landing one hit."

So...

I appreciate the time and effort both of you have placed into the contest. However at this time I do not feel that either one of you possess the necessary traits we are looking for in Suna's Shukaku.

I can not advance either one of you. But certainly do feel free to challenge the host once one is chosen.

~Moenkopi


Title: Re: The Sorrow v/s Kasigi Omi Round 1: Bijuu Contest
Post by: The Sorrow on June 12, 2011, 04:02:33 am
While I respect your decision, your logic isn't really sound at some points. Thus I decided to answer some of your points. You probably won't change your opinion, but I think this will show you that I do know what I was doing.

Sorrow: reply 1:
~Quarterstaff to base of Omi's neck
I feel that placing yourself so close to your opponet that you can hear him breathing denies him the ability to detect you and move away. And in an opening post you have virtually character controlled his placement in the field of battle, frozen his movemnts, and come in for the strike.

Just because it's aimed at this spot doesn't mean it'll hit. You can also aim from a hundred yards away. If I had aimed with a bow, would you also have critizied that? As for the breathing: we are alone in an abandonned building in a battle situation where any sound stands out. The breathing thing was mostly added for the battle atmosphere, not to indicate how close I was.


Sorrow: reply 3:
~Jumps on Omi's arm [auto-hit] and runs up it to evade fist strike.[how long do you think this arm is?]
~blocks 12 kunai with spin of quarterstaff
~forms one handed kata
~swings quarterstaff at Omi's face
You are doing too many actions. How long is a quarterstaff? It's as tall as a person, correct? You can't spin it with one hand cause you would hit Omi's arm...that you are standing on...and perhaps his head as surely an enlarged fist does not mean his arm is now suddenly longer[he never posted an increase in arm length]...SO you would have to use both hands to work the staff while on Omi's arm to deflect the kunai that have risen to make the attack...AND with incredible speed for the distance from his waist to his arm is short. And they were already shooting toward you when he threw the punch.

If you couldn't swing a quarterstaff that way you could never swing it without hitting the ground. But considering that most people can infact swing a staff above them without hitting the ground it is indeed possible to swing it around you to deflect incoming attacks with enough practice. As for Kasigiomi's fist: what good is it only to enlarge the hand? The weight is too large to be swung unless you enlarge your arm as well. And you're seriously saying I am too fast when Kasigi can enlarge his fist without any handsigns and levitate 12 kunai at the same time in the blink of a moment?

next...you say before you reach your opponent [you are already standing on his arm...I assume you mean reach his face?]...you do a one handed kata and swing the quarterstaff for his head. You have yourself way too close in side the range of a quarterstaff for the movements you are attempting. Should these event occur, I feel they would have taken longer than just one smooth move...perhaps two posts?

An arm hardly qualifies as an opponent, so yes, I meant the body. That's not really that hard to understand. And considering that depending where you hold a staff it's either a long or short weapon you wield (it's not like I am waving around a 6 feet stick at one end, since a staff is normally held in the middle it's only 3 feet I actively use in either direction) so I think it would have been possible. I can understand your point though.


Sorrow: reply 5:
~one handed kata was the genjutsu Kokoni Arazu no Jutsu: false surroundings technique
I'm sorry. this just seems like the magic bunshin move to me. If you are casting a genjutsu you need to call that ahead of time. It is then your opponent's duty not to metagame. And here we have a retropost situation. Omi already took the hit to the head. Now you say it never comes.
~Fuuton: Kazekiri: Wind Cutter...
I am uncertain after you mention the genjutsu what is a discernable action of Sorrow and what is part of the illusion that you are projecting for Omi to see.
~Retreats to hide
~Summons an owl and sends it away
Ok. You did not post that you sent the kunai flying into the ground with any force, this is retroposting adding detail to a prior action. So the kunai should have no delay in rising. That might occur for another reason, but you have no right to dictate how long it would take Omi's magnetic field to accomplish the manipulation of his weapons.

The point of an illusion is actually to go unnoticed. If you write out every Genjutsu I doubt anyone would fall for them without the user using auto-hitting as I did in my last post. I clearly made a handsign and my bio says that I tend to use Genjutsu. What good is a fight where you don't even try to read your opponent...?
I admit you're right about the magnetic field though.


Sorrow: reply 7
~leather armor[good, but was this spur of the moment or stated to begin with as part of your standard gear? Maybe on your bio?]
~Builds a weapon by tying kunai with wire to your staff ends.
I am stunned why you would waste time with projectiles flying toward you to craft a weapon during battle. The kunai are projectiles...just throw them away! And then after ridding yourself of metal, you go and pick it all up again on the original staff...and evade the metal ball which is tracking that metal and retreat in to the shadow.
~Kage bo no jutsu...
Is this like Kage Shuriken no Jutsu - Shadow Shuriken Technique? This does not create duplicates of the Shuriken but allows one to hide in the shadow of another. At any rate, you have a jutsu that allows you to mulitply your bo into numerous staffs. You might want to call it something else; also it kind of borders on mokuton KG as well. I like the idea of this jutsu but I think it needs to be defined in a different way.
~Suiton: Kokuu no Jutsu", the Black Rain technique.
Should take longer to exectute. It has to rise from your body, accumulate a cloud and then rain down.

Again, too many offensive actions in one post.


I didn't sepcify what type of armour, but I think as owner it should be up to me to decide what kind of armour. I just didn't change it in my bio during the battle to be accused of cheating as I could also theoretically have switched it from metal to leather. As for the weapon I built, I was actually pursuing a plan. My opponent uses Raiton. Thus I had created a staff with a metal tip and all of them sticking in the ground. Had my opponent sent a Raiton Jutsu at me I could have hit amongst the staves and used them as lightning rods. Sure, they would have disappeared after one block but they would have fulfilled their purpose.
And yes, I messed up when I wrote Kage Bo, I forgot to add the Bunshin part in the name. And since creating bunshin of metallic weapons doesn't need a KG I think neither do I.
As I don't watch the anime, I don't really now how long it would take for the Black Rain to take effect. I just know the technique, I thought it was more along the lines of a breath technique. My mistake.

Sorrow: reply 9:
~rationale about the magnetic field.
Omi never said how large it was in the initial post. He did say the weaponry was within the field on his second post. Then you delcare here that it is not.
~owl feathers hit Omi and ignite the oil
Auto hit. The presence of the owl in the building disturbs me, you only posted that you had sent it away not that it flew up into the rafters to wait. I imagined it had left the building.

Oh so now you call the Kage bo no jutsu staves...bunshin. Let me ask you this. Omi's kunai were sailing toward the bunshin staves because of the kunai on each end...metal being drawn to metal...why didn't your bunshins go poof when they struck Omi's kunai?
~reassembling bunshin staves to form cage....
Typically when bunshin are struck they go poof. How is that going to protect you from a collapsing building?

I declared that by constantly moving around and hiding in the shadows I was out of his field. My position clearly was not the same as in the beginning. And while the auto-hit is true here I could easily re-phrase it for the same result without hitting Kasigiomi, so it's a moot point. I could have hit a nearby rock and created sparks. The strike itself dealt no damage. And you just said it yourself: you ASSUMED the owl flew away. You can't dictate what the owl should have done.
Why the Bunshin didn't go poof...? You do realize that if they disappeared after any type of contact a Kage Bunshin Shuriken wouldn't even cut an opponent as it would disappear at skin contact? Unlike Naruto the other shinobi make less but sturdier versions. The 3rd Hokage's shuriken didn't disappear even after being stuck in a wooden coffin. So I can definitely say that mine won't disappear either. It's the same with the cage: the technique this is based on used bunshin of the Adamantine staff. While the quality is not the same, the level of damage dealt to it was also significantly lower.


Sorrow: reply 11:
~Suiton: Haran Bansho: Stormy Blockage
Here you create water in the desert to rain down from the sky with what? Practice and Nature Transformation? What is that, Sage Mode? Hrm...and its inside the crumbling builing...and you retropost it to occur before Omi's Wind jutsu.
~Fuuton: Kazekiri:
Your weak element has allowed you to fire it between the staves...so where are the pieces of ceiling hiting your between the stave slots? And it defeats 60% of Omi's wind, your bunshin staves are on fire...and struck by wind...doused by water...and withstand the collapse of the building to leave you unharmed save for some of Omi's wind that got through to slice you up some. You say the cage survived the collapse but yet it is not present when we finally see you have survived....it either collpsed or is still there. Most likely the staves are destroyed way back when Omi's kunai connected with them before the cage was formed because you call them bunshin.

Since when does Nature Transformation have to do anything with Sage Mode? Nature Transformation is when a shinobi attunes his chakra to a certain element, like Naruto did with his to cut things. I did it with mine to water to counter the fact that I AM in a desert.  Nothing against the retro-acusation though.
The cage technqiue specializes in defense, you really can't apply normal bunshin logic here anymore. And yes, I didn't write how the staves disappeared after the technqiue. But since there was dust everywhere people wouldn't have seen it anyway.


Sorrow: reply 13:
~wondering about the rain.
You never posted that the effect was upon only yourself. You just stated it "...pour down from the sky, dousing the flames and drenching Shinjiro as well." And you are in a building of finite space.
~Suiton: Suitnenhofutsu: water orb prisons?
So now you have managed to catch each and every nail that this building contined, plus whatever they were attatched to, accurately despite their various speeds and sizes, in water prisons. And why didn't you take your forehead protector off several posts ago as soon as metal became an issue?
~Kokuangyo no Jutsu:
Pretty cool stuff. However...
Doesn't say a thing about the 'ghosts' being able to steal life force and have an actual physical consequence to the taget. Certainly torturous, this genjutsu...


I admit I could have defined the area of effect more clearly, but why would I use a technique like that on a burning opponent...? Normally the only water that would have reached him at his distance would have been at his feet.
I needed the water provided by my previous technique to use this. And since this technique is considered to be the water equivalent of Gaara's sand shield I think it isn't that hard to believe it could catch things aimed at me. It doesn't have to look hard where it's going.
Takin off my forehead protector simply never occured to me. Thinking back it would have been both smart, but question: did my opponent ever tell me he could control magnetic fields? No, he didn't. I only said that certain things wouldn't work as an OOC post description. Never once I SAID anything about knowing about his magentic field.
And did you actually read my last post? I specifically said that this was only possible due to my mutated Sharingan which I used in combination with the Genjutsu.


And that sums it up. I admit that I made some mistakes and got carried away with the number of actions, but that was mostly because I hate short one action posts. Considering how long I always had to wait I wanted to USE the space I had.


Title: Re: The Sorrow v/s Kasigi Omi: completed
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on June 16, 2011, 08:48:19 pm
I will read this more thouroughly and comment soon. At a glance I have to say that Auto-hitting is a big fat hairy deal in the zones so get used to 'rewording' this correctly from the get go and that it is very much not a MOOT point.

And if I have to 'assume' something from a post you make, then YOU are just not writing clearly enough. IF you do not state it in text then it does not occur.


Title: Re: The Sorrow v/s Kasigi Omi: completed
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on June 18, 2011, 05:58:09 pm
First of all let me say this:
I am glad you took the time to read and reply.
Remember, Had Omi's posting been flawless, I would have advance him to round two. He also was disqualified.

Also...people are actively going to use what you write against you, and ONLY what you write, because this is how you fight with words.


Reply 1:

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Reply 1: taken from the match

He was already close to his opponent, so close that he could hear him breathing.

I did not say you AUTO HIT him, I said you CHARACTER CONTROLLED him. For an OPENING POST this is in error. You get to arrive on the field and do whatever. You do not get to make an attack at an opponent who has not even arrived. Were you the second to gain access to the field of battle, then yes, your opening post could justifiably be an attack of some sort and so be less objectionable. It's not good in either case, however by going first, you are hindered from making an attack against a foe who is not even there yet...to place your foe anywhere during an opening post is CHARACTER CONTROL.

1...you determined his place in the field
2...you determined the volume of his breathing
3...you denied him the ability to detect you before you got that close to him

CHARACTER CONTROL


Reply 3:

First...The entire move is an AUTO HIT...you did not ATTEMPT to jump on his arm, but SUCCEEDED and made several actions, too many, after doing that. SO the entire post is in error.

However:

Yes, you can swing a bo without hitting the ground. You are not on the ground. And the attack is coming from below you. You have to swing your bo below you to deflect the kunai and that motion prevents you from doing it one handed to manipulate it around the obstacle you are standing on...the arm.

Next you assume that the jutsu to enlarge his hand requires him to enlarge the arm too, and that without doing this he is not strong enough to hold up that fist.  Let me say it again...if it is not posted, it did not occur. Omi did not say he enlarged his arm length. Nor did he say how much he enlarged the fist. was it an inch? was it by 20 lbs? was it by  300 sq. ft.? You don't know, he never says. So you can't ASSUME its too heavy for him to hold up...I mean seriously...he makes a fist he can't swing? Brilliant...you also can't assume your opponent is an idiot...because you are trying to be a Jinchuuriki and if you assume your foes are idiots, and yes many of them would have been, but eventually your arrogance in understimating your foe would get you killed.

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And you're seriously saying I am too fast when Kasigi can enlarge his fist without any handsigns and levitate 12 kunai at the same time in the blink of a moment?

I said you did too many actions in one post. And Omi did not say he did anything in the blink of a moment. He did something quickly. that is what he typed. Read what is written. That is ALL you can react to.

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An arm hardly qualifies as an opponent, so yes, I meant the body. That's not really that hard to understand. And considering that depending where you hold a staff it's either a long or short weapon you wield (it's not like I am waving around a 6 feet stick at one end, since a staff is normally held in the middle it's only 3 feet I actively use in either direction) so I think it would have been possible. I can understand your point though.

I am not in the assumption making business. No, it is not hard to understand if I just ASSUME this is what you meant. But you did not specify. I can only read what you write. If you do not write it and I am forced to assume, then you have failed in being descriptive enough or in employing clarity to your posts. It is not a matter of if I am intelligent enough to read your mind and draw the obvious conclusions. I am giving you a critical critque based upon what you have written, not what appears to be logical to me or upon what you intended, based upon whatever assumptions I am forced to make due to the lack of your written word.

Additionally...remember now, Omi never posted he made his arm longer...and you take up more space than a mathematical point...so you standing on his arm, makes the distance shorter even still...than the three feet you have to work with by holding your bo in the center...you have used a bulky weapon in too close of quarters combat.

Reply 5:

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The point of an illusion is actually to go unnoticed. If you write out every Genjutsu I doubt anyone would fall for them without the user using auto-hitting as I did in my last post.

I understand that this is a difficult thing to allow to occur. It seriously forces you to trust your opponent to act ethically. However, just because it is a genjutsu does not give you the right to auto-hit with it. Let your opponent auto-hit or metagame...that is his problem and he will be dealt with accordingly. YOUR posting has to be ethical and by the rules.

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I didn't sepcify what type of armour, but I think as owner it should be up to me to decide what kind of armour. I just didn't change it in my bio during the battle to be accused of cheating as I could also theoretically have switched it from metal to leather.

I said the use of leather armour was good. I questioned it merely as a point of clarity. This was to be a suggestion that you state things of this sort in your opening post. Then other people cannot claim it was donned for convenience to counter a particular attack.

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As for the weapon I built, I was actually pursuing a plan. My opponent uses Raiton. Thus I had created a staff with a metal tip and all of them sticking in the ground. Had my opponent sent a Raiton Jutsu at me I could have hit amongst the staves and used them as lightning rods. Sure, they would have disappeared after one block but they would have fulfilled their purpose.
And yes, I messed up when I wrote Kage Bo, I forgot to add the Bunshin part in the name. And since creating bunshin of metallic weapons doesn't need a KG I think neither do I.

Ok...It seemed like an incredible waste of time to craft a weapon in the middle of an incoming attack when casting aside the kunai would have yielded the same effect. SO I mentioned it in a quetioning manner.

Before you called them bunshin it looked like you were creating staves of wood which indeed is a Mokuton KG. Then later you call them bunshin which indeed does NOT requite a KG. However, after one strike they go poof and could not be used for the numerous protections you later claim they perform by the fact that they were indeed bunshin.

Reply 9:

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I declared that by constantly moving around and hiding in the shadows I was out of his field. My position clearly was not the same as in the beginning.

Now, as I said in my critque, Omi did not state the size of his field. There was a vagueness on his part and a vagueness upon your part. That is why I brought it up. He says the kunai are tagerting yours, you say they are not. I found them both to be in error.

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And while the auto-hit is true here I could easily re-phrase it for the same result without hitting Kasigiomi, so it's a moot point.

AUTO HITTING is NEVER a moot point. if you could have made the same result without auto hitting, that is what you should have done.

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And you just said it yourself: you ASSUMED the owl flew away. You can't dictate what the owl should have done.

I was forced to assume because you were not clear enough in your posting, that is why I brought it up. As the reader I should NOT have to be forced to assume anything. If the owl was just waiting in the rafters, you should have put him there.

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Why the Bunshin didn't go poof...? You do realize that if they disappeared after any type of contact a Kage Bunshin Shuriken wouldn't even cut an opponent as it would disappear at skin contact? Unlike Naruto the other shinobi make less but sturdier versions. The 3rd Hokage's shuriken didn't disappear even after being stuck in a wooden coffin. So I can definitely say that mine won't disappear either. It's the same with the cage: the technique this is based on used bunshin of the Adamantine staff. While the quality is not the same, the level of damage dealt to it was also significantly lower.

1]Kage Bunshin Shuriken is a misnomer. It is not a bunshin...it is a real shuriken hiding in the shadow of another real shuriken. SO that is why they do not just go poof in that technique. No...actually Naruto's bunshin have physicality to them, they are the forbiddeen ones. They are better than the reagular bunshin and even they just go poof.

2]The Third Hokage's shuriken were like Naruto's bunshin who have the ability to actually hurt people. But, when they are struck they do indeed go poof. Omi's kunai struck your staves. They should have gone poof.

3]Now onto the Adamantine staff. This is a transformation of Enma himself. Not a bunshin of an ordinary staff. It is the Monkey King himself, not a replication of a stick with kunai tied to each end. He is able to perform transformations even in the Adamantine form to create a lattice work wall/cage type enclosure that is impervious to any attack. Now...you did not post that your staff had any powers similar to  Enma. And as has laboriously been discussed and admitted by yourself, they would have disappeared after being struck and not been available to be formed into the cage anyway...which in turn would have been burned up, as they are wooden and not been available to protect you from the collapse of the roof. And if they somehow did not burn, a collapsing building would have caused them to go poof. And even if they were real staves, you have a roof falling on you. Mere staves cannot protect you against the collapse of a building. They are not the Adamantine staff, this was not Enma.

Reply 11:

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Nature_Transformation (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Nature_Transformation)

This is an error on my part. I saw Nature, and thought Sage mode Nature Chakra and not the use here, which is elemental nature of the chakra.

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The cage technqiue specializes in defense, you really can't apply normal bunshin logic here anymore. And yes, I didn't write how the staves disappeared after the technqiue. But since there was dust everywhere people wouldn't have seen it anyway.

By this part I see that the staves should have went poof about 4 times before the roof collapses. And even so...during the dust everywhere we see you...so why not the life saving cage?

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I admit I could have defined the area of effect more clearly, but why would I use a technique like that on a burning opponent...?

I don't know why? You never said.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Water_Release:_Water_Sky_Convergence (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Water_Release:_Water_Sky_Convergence)

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From the match:

Water started to raise from the ground and formed medium sized bubbles that lazily drifted around Shinjiro. With a flick of his hand the bubbles shot forward and trapped the projectiles, the pressure and chakra flowing through them effectively halting their journey as the water lessened the control Kasigiomi had over the metal to a certain degree as well.

No actually it is not the same as Gaara's sand defence. It is silimar in that you can use it to manipulate water and to block MOST incomming attacks. IT is not an impervious defense. And the lazily drifting water bubbles of medium size surely could not catch ALL the nails and whatever debris is still clinging to some. I pointed out that some should have struck you. NONE do.

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Never once I SAID anything about knowing about his magentic field.

You are right! You never said you noticed a thing. Why is that? His magnetic field was tugging on your metal belongings including the metal froehead protector tied to your head.

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And did you actually read my last post? I specifically said that this was only possible due to my mutated Sharingan which I used in combination with the Genjutsu.

Heck no. Me read this stuff? I just copy and paste random entries I find from the back of a Reader's digest to serve as my replies. :-\

OK ...sarcasm aside. Let's examine your mutated sharingan.

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Due to Shinjiro's mutated Sharingan he could see the spirits of the dead.

Cool!

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And if he used it in combination with a sense manipulating Jutsu, he could call those spirits to target his opponent.

So, you no longer have just a genjutsu, but you have brought a genjutsu to life with real spirits. Ah so...the sense you have manipulated is sight? Now Omi can see them too.

However...suddenly these spirits now have the ability to drain life through touch. Amazing that they never thought to do that when you guys first arrived. If spirits have this ability on their own then you are now commanding them to use it on Omi? So...that makes you like a shinigami? Or...is the sense you are manipulating sight, with the genjutsu...only those are illusions and so should have no physical consequence...or is it touch? Allowing spirits to interact on the physical plane. Uhm...which still precludes command over the dead and gives them an ability to drain life. So...I am trying to figure out where all this comes from. I examined the following:

Giving reality to Genjutsu: Izanagi...however this only works on yourself, and you have to be an Uchiha and have Senju DNA.

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From your bio:

Mutated Sharingan: Due to a birth defect his eyes never developed the Sharingan like they normally would have. They are 'active' all the time and lack the ability to copy techniques or see things in slow motion. In exchange they are immune to Genjutsu and allow him to see and interact with the spirits of the departed.

Well you have a mutated Sharingan. But that just allows you to see the dead and interact with them. It doesn't say you can imbue the spirits of the dead with powers to touch the physical world let alone drain life from the living.


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And that sums it up. I admit that I made some mistakes and got carried away with the number of actions, but that was mostly because I hate short one action posts. Considering how long I always had to wait I wanted to USE the space I had.

You had all the time and the space in the world. Instead of trying to fill it with a plethora of actions, you should have used it to carefully construct the actions you were making in such a manner as to give clarity to the reader and thereby erase all margine for doubt as to what it is you are intending.

Mistakes are fine; We all make them. I would hate to see a critical critique of one of my zone fights! :-[
However, it is much easier to sit back taking my good old time to observe another's fight and find the flaws in it that it is to fight flawlessly under pressure. Look at me as one of those kind who can teach but not do? Yeah...that is me.

In Conclusion:
 

I would think that after pointing out to you instances of Auto hitting, restroposting, too many actions in one post and lack of clarity in your posting that after the first or second time of reading these from me you would be like "oh....that is what I have to clear up" rather than being like "Oh no...this is why that is no big deal and how you should have known what I meant."

Let me say it again...

If it is not written, it does not happen. WE are not allowed to assume any action, motivation or logical conclusions for anything. It must be clearly stated.

Auto-hitting is ALWAYS... bad. bad. bad.

Character Control...is bad. bad. bad.

It is your duty to erase all doubt from the reader's mind as to what your actions are.

It is the duty of your opponent to act in an ethical manner and they will be taken to task if not. Make your posts irreproachable.





Title: Re: The Sorrow v/s Kasigi Omi: completed
Post by: The Sorrow on June 19, 2011, 04:33:36 am
Reply 1: In the end both me and Omi skipped the part where we stand around doing nothing. We basically fused the first 2 posts together as I could just have attacked him the same way afterwards. Thus I do not really gain any ADVANTAGE in my eyes. I had declared the building, thus he would have had to walk inside anyway. I said he was breathing. Wow. Really, that changes the entire outcome already. And lastly: I never said I wasn't detected. In fact, Omi did detect me and he simply didn't defend himself because of his armor. And if he hadn't had sensed me he still could have sensed me the moment I jumped from the shadows. A surprise attack can be used at any time of a battle.

Reply 3: Yes, he would enlarge only his fist because that makes so much sense. As he didn't specify anything the interpretation fell to me. I also would have interpreted if I had written "Shinjiro dodged the enlarged fist." But as I was not close enough to Omi for a normal strike to reach him I think the arm was also increased in size. We all know it as the Akimichi "Baika no Jutsu".
And when we do something quickly, we normally say "he did it in a moment" or "he did it in the blink of an eye".

Reply 5: Welcome to Physics 101: Lightning always strikes the highest point. I can't really hide behind a kunai sticking into the ground. Not only would I look really stupid trying to do so but it also wouldn't work.

Reply 9: It seems you really need to read up on the Shuriken Kage Bunshin no Jutsu. This Jutsu allows you to clone a thrown Shuriken. It's how the Sandaime multiplied one thrown weapon into many which struck the coffins. What you are referring to is Kage Shuriken no Jutsu. I already said I forgot to add the Bunshin iny my post, but considering that I made clones it should be clear that I used Bo Kage Bunshin no Jutsi (or however it would be called).
And the Sandaime's shuriken did NOT go poof. After hitting the coffin a large number was stuck into it and forced it to retreat. No poofing here. Naruto's Bunshin go poof easily because he creates them in a bulk. If he created less with the same amount of chakra they would be sturdier (like the one he used against Neji, this one even bled).
If you read my profile description you'll see that my staff is nigh indestuctible. That translates as: it can take a lot of damage. A Kage Bunshin has the charcteristics as the original. Thus the bunshin, while inferior, are still enough to take a hit. And when the hell did I say they would have disappeared?
Lastly, a collapsing building isn't really that damaging. Stones can only fall on you once for each ceiling because no stone can fall from the same space twice.
So yes, my staves could protect me, as it is a Jutsu specifically designed to do that. It can't withstand an assault like Enma, but this damage was way weaker.

Reply 11: A dust cloud takes a while to settle. The cage disappeared before it had settled. It is no longer there. The dust cloud settled. Shinjiro is still there. We can't see the cage anymore. If I have to write it like this for every fight I go into I should give it up now. It kills my artistic soul to write out what no one, and I mean really no one, can misunderstand.

Reply 13: My attack can't have hit Omi. After all, I never said it aimed at him. He would have had to deliberately jump into an attack that clearly affected only me. With not a single word I said it did anything else. This both you and Omi making an assumption.
The Water Sky Convergence: While not automatical like Gaara, it still can block pretty much anything with the right amount of water. You ever see something falling into water? Its speed decreases and then it either floats or sinks to the bottom. Also, all things are aimed at ME. They can only travel in a straight line as they use magnetic fields for this. EVERYONE could have blocked this attack with a "wall" Jutsu or something similar. The water spheres didn't have much of an area to cover. They only had to cover me.


In conclusion:
My posts have to be understood by my opponent. If he exploits an opening I left in them it is my own fault. Auto-hitting is bad, but you can't put every situation in the same category. There are shades of grey.
It's not my duty to erase doubt from a random reader's mind. Both fighters can always ask for further explanation of each other, and as they are the ones fighting it should be first and foremost their business how to handle unclear situations.
Because first and foremost this is meant to be fun.

Over and Out.


Title: Re: The Sorrow v/s Kasigi Omi: completed
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on June 21, 2011, 02:42:02 pm
And thank you for erasing any doubt I had in my mind that I may have been wrong for disqualifying you.